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Hi OF, awesome stuff you're doing in the Wiki. I made some modifications here CastleCops_Staff:_Phishing_Squad and there Talk:CastleCops_Staff:_Special_Response_Team_(SRT) that makes use of notes and references. What do you think? Worthwhile? --Paul 11:13, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Just butting in here. I saw the use of the notes template (though I'm not sure what it adds) but not the Ref template. Could you perhaps explain what they do? --Ikeb 11:23, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

I make use of the templates here: CastleCops_Staff:_Phishing_Squad. If it isn't noticeable, try a diff and it'll stand out. --Paul 11:28, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

I like the ref idea! It is sort of overkill in this situation but doesn't detract at all. It is exactly what I have been needing in the phishing area. Thanks.

I will have to look at the notes template to see what it does. (Hey, I can almost spell Wiki) --Oldfrog

The notes and ref links work hand-in-hand. Glad you like them. --Paul 11:46, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

[edit] So how do I...?

Okay, I see how they work now. The next question is how do I apply a template to an existing document? --Oldfrog 12:34, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Within curly braces, in the article itself add "ref|uniqnote" and in the footer for the note itself add "note|uniqnote". The "uniqnote" should be the same for both, a one-to-one.--Paul 12:39, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Sweet! Hey, only took me 6 tries to do what I wanted. Very cool! --Oldfrog 13:23, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Except that I just discovered that the references don't seem to be clickable. Shouldn't they be?

They aren't clickable? In my testing they were. Can you point me in the right dirn? --Paul 14:11, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Maybe I misunderstood how they would work. Clicking on a note takes me to the linked page. Clicking on a ref merely drops me to the bottom of the page and not to the link.--Oldfrog 14:14, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

That's just it... it doesn't really "work" until the article is longer since those links are really anchors. The ref link takes it down to the note, where the extra links are found. And the note link takes the user back to the ref link in the article. Its like an encyclopedia. --Paul 14:16, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Right, got it now. So which is better for the stuff in the content area. I sort of like not having the hyperlinks all over the text and having the references at the bottom, myself.--Oldfrog 14:19, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

I think you're spot on... for shorter articles it might not be worth having citations like that, but rather embed the links in the article. For longers articles, it could be prudent to use the note/ref links. --Paul 14:22, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Heh. There just isn't any good substitute for common sense, is there? Sounds good to me.

I certainly like the way they are being introduced however. --Paul 14:38, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

For short pages with multiple refs how about something like I have done with http://wiki.castlecops.com/CastleCops_Staff:_Mentor ? I like the notes at the bottom but in this case I did not include any refs. Still, if they are needed later they are ready.--Oldfrog 18:13, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

I guess that depends if we take an encyclopedic approach or we create our own. But whichever route we go I suggest we keep it uniform.--Paul 18:34, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Standards are usually good. You should be the one to set it.

That's where our good ole friend Ikester comes in. --Paul 18:56, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Yeah well you guys are speeding ahead at 100MPH while I'm off earning a living. Good discussion. Now I have a sense of how the notes/ref templates apply. Speaking of templates we should have a common template for this whole section, if just to get back to the staff listing. That's a separate thing from the note/ref template though ... or at least I think so. --Ikeb 20:20, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Heh. I am going 100mph just like an armadillo does, Ike, 1mph at a time. I really felt stupid here today when the only way that I could do something was to go do an edit on somebody else's work and try to immitate them. I don't think that you need to worry about job security anytime soon.

How do you think I learned? Same way. --Paul 22:04, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Testing Wikipedia FF extension --Oldfrog 21:42, 21 January 2007 (EST)

Sweet! --Oldfrog 21:42, 21 January 2007 (EST)

Ah, so that extension works again eh? I'd given up on it because it hadn't been working since v1.5 was released. I'll have to re-install it. Thanks for the heads-up! --Ikester 23:43, 21 January 2007 (EST)

It is working here after I modified the .xpi file for FF2.x. I can give you the revised .xpi but it is strictly "use at your own risk". So far, so good, here. --Oldfrog 10:38, 22 January 2007 (EST)

I'd appreciate that. When I attempt to install the most current release canidate, it complains that it only works up to v1.5.x. --Ikester 20:39, 22 January 2007 (EST)

[edit] Edit to Online_antivirus_scans

Thanks for the edit, I was thinking of adding that comment but for some reason it sliped my mind. Also I decidied against making it a whole essay on the pros and cons of online antiviruses. As for your comments on my talk page, where did you hear I am from the AI field? If that was true I would be billing myself as an expert or at least a professional and not a less knowledgable user. After all, Self deprecation has it limits even for me. In any case, there is nothing wrong with having 2 Masters is there? --LU 02:26, 25 January 2007 (EST)

LU 02:26, 25 January 2007 (EST)

NP on the edit. I think that you were right not to go into an entire pro/con discussion in what was essentially an overview of the services available (and a good one, at that). I only included it because I once did the online submission and found that my installed AV detected it on my system but not online. Sure enough there was a version difference with the online scanner lagging.

I saw a CV online for an Erik Albert with specialization and interest in AI and it sounded very much as if it could be you. From what I have seen of your work both in the Wiki and in the forums I believe that you have some formal CS education. If not, then you certainly fooled me. You are certainly correct about there not being a problem with having 2 master's, although the best I managed was 2 bachelor's. --Oldfrog 19:43, 25 January 2007 (EST)